Since it looks like it begged for this topic to be visited more in depth & accurately,
I have compiled a list of aircrafts, objects/vehicles & maps that are done for
Il-2FB/AEP - ie already submitted to Oleg - or that are near completion and which for
completion is virtually guaranteed.
Now it appears that Pf is the priority, probably because of contractual obligations and
I think it fair for Maddox/1C to concentrate on that and get it done and over with well
before the New Year. Then, they could give AEP2 a final go in late Sept/October to push
AEP through for a March 2005 release.
So far, I have compiled the following sure and possible additions: - the Inhouse are
only items that could be done using existing models already in the sim with very
minimal changes, mostly to FM. - jagd
Notice to readers, not all the items listed here will make it, thats pretty much certain,
but this list provides a good list for Oleg and us FB fliers.
Most important is for you to suggest items for inclusion, id say 50% has been from jadg and pingu, rest suggestions.
If u have suggested stuff and we forgot to credit you please say.
Suggestions on howto improve list welcome.
and someone find butch2k loadout list please.
PS artwork by seafireIV to be added
Aircrafts
German
Fighter AI/Flyable Notes
Dornier Do 335 AI at least - Flyable ? A1 version? maybe others
Focke-Wulf Ta 152C1 Flyable 1C doing cockpit?
Focke-Wulf Ta 152C3 Flyable 1C doing cockpit?
1C "inhouse" planes varients made from planes already in game, with very little changes.
1942 Bf 109F4 Flyable with full boost at 1.42 ATA 1350hp
Bf-109 F-4/Z and F-4/R1 Flyable GM-1 boost?
1943 Bf 109G2 Flyable with full boost at 1.42 ATA 1475hp
1943 Bf 109G6/U2 Flyable with original GM-1 boost system and full 1.42 ATA
1944 Bf 109G6/U2 Flyable 1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 with "Field Mod" GM-1 boost system converted in the field for MW-50* As a note, Mercedes-Benz AG archives does lists the DB605DCM as a 1944 engine.(BTW, I know of Oleg's strive to perfection but the Bf 109G-14 we currently have in the game could easily "pass" as a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod MW-50" - the external is pretty much bang-on and the observed perfomance in the sim is pretty close.....worst-case scenario, they could easily add a Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod" MW50 to the current Bf 109 line-up simply by taking the existing G-14 external & flight model and renaming it "1944 Bf 109G-6/U2 "Field Mod w/MW-50" & add the G-6 late loadouts options to it.......
1945 Bf 109G-10 Flyable with DB605DC with full boost @ 1.98 ATA 2000hp take-off & 1800 at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109G-14 Flyable with DB605ASC with full boost @ 1.98 ATA 2000hp take-off & 1800 at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109K-4 Flyable with DB605DC with full boost @ 1.98 ATA 2000hp take-off & 1800 at rated altitude
1945 Bf 109K-14 Flyable "nice to have" with DB605L two-stage supercharger @ 1700hp at take-off & 4 blade prop
Bf 109 Z Flyable Prototype based on the F airframe
1944 Focke-Wulf Fw 190F-9 Flyable modify from existing Fw 190F-8 & A-9 in the simsuggested by NN_EnigmuS
1945 Focke-Wulf 190D-13 Flyable existing aircraft in Seattle - multiple external/cockpit pics available mod from existing Fw 190D-9 in the sim
HE162A1 Flyable with mk108 (i guess at no/very small fm/3d changes if only guns swappedsuggested by NN_EnigmuS
FW190 d11/12/13 Flyable (are some restored ones about, so u could varify. i would guess at something like ta152 nose put onto 190D model.
FW190A9 LF Flyable low alt prop
FW190A Sturbock Flyable anti bomber FW190
Possibles
110C4 Flyable Cockpit...
he219 AI most likely 90% external, hope this gets done (best german night fighter btw)
me 210/410 Flyable cockpit being done, problems with references. seems progress has been made, but no updates posted.
Bf109 T Flyable Carrier BF109,also saw normal service, harti was interested in moding this plane
Bomber AI/Flyable Notes
Henschel Hs 129B-2 Flyable cockpit done/worked on?
Henschel Hs 129B-3 Flyable cockpit done/worked on?
Ju88 Family Flyable new external?
Junkers Ju 88A-4 Flyable
Junkers Ju 88A-13 Flyable
Junkers Ju 88A-14 Flyable
Junkers Ju 88A-17 Flyable
Junkers Ju 88C-6a Flyable
Inhouse
mistel Flyable/AI 109 instead of 190
mistel Flyable/AI 262 mistel
Ju52 3mg3e AI Ju52 3mg3e. Needs bomb bays and(optionally)'dustbin' ventral gunner position. Specs and performance apparently identical to existing Ju52 3mg4e in FB except 1,000-1,500 kg bomb load.Essential for Spain and also used in WWII
Ju87-B early Flyable Less armour
Ju87 G2 Flyable cannons on longer wings
Ju87 D7/8 Flyable better engine
Possibles
ju188 AI Modeler busy with RL stuff 8( (E2 spec possible easily aswell)
He115 AI nearing completion (small mods for B spec?)
Dornier Do 17Z-2 AI Halted because of PF
Do 217 E-2 AI Halted because of PF
Do 217 E-4 AI Halted because of PF
Do 217 K-1 AI Halted because of PF
Do 217 K-2 AI Halted because of PF
Do 217 M-1 AI Halted because of PF
Heinkel He 177A-5 AI Halted because of PF, maybe going again
He 111H-16 Flyable possible, depends on xanitys time
He 111Z Flyable started, again depends on xanitys time
Ju87 C Flyable Mods to make it carrier serviceable, several models.
Loadouts
Aircraft Loadout Notes
Bf109 family, 190A, stuka and he111 possibly Trop engine air filters for several german aircrafts Some/all already done by harti?
Bf 109F SC50, SC250, 300l tanks, and MG151/20 gondolas Copy+paste from E and G models? Keep 1 F2 varient free from extra gun loadouts for use in coop's etc to retain balence (tb3 missions for example)
Bf 109G-10 and 14 Mg151/20 motor-kanone standard/option German bulit 109s had this standard?
Bf 109G series WGr 21 rocket packs late G models (clarify which)
Fw 190D9 1944 and 1945 Drop tanks and bombs need list from butch2k
Fw 190F-8 and F-9 Panzerblitz IPanzerblitz I1 X 500Kg + 2 X 250Kg really need them rockets
He111,stuka,Ju88 - SD1000- PC1000- PC1400 (need those, definately with Jippo's Ju 88 coming)- SD1700
Fw 190A The rack needs to be removed when you select "outboard cannons removed"
Go229 bombs, rockets, drop tanks? need to check these
Heinkel He 111H-6 2 X PC1400
Ju 87D 1 X PC1400
ETC rack ETC250 + 250Kg, 4 X 50 KG, 300 liter drop-tank 109F most effected
Bf109E AB-24T and racks for 96 SD-2(Emil). Also add quad SD 70.
Packages Food/ammo etc Most/all bombers could take boxes of various types to drop food/ammo etc for food. Be great for stalingrad etc
Italian
Fighter AI/Flyable Notes
Fiat G55 Centauro Flyable
Macchi Mc 200 Seatta Flyable
Macchi Mc 202 Folgore Flyable
Macchi Mc 205 Veltro Flyable
Regianne Re 2000 Flyable (+hungarian version?)
Regianne Re 2001 Flyable havin fun with oil
Regianne Re 2005 Flyable
1C "inhouse" planes
G-50bis Flyable
cr42 nightfighter Flyable/AI big light, and no radar iirec
Bomber AI/Flyable Notes
Cant Z 506 floats AI
Cant Z 1007bis AI
Fiat Br 20 AI
Savoia Marchetti Sm 79 AI/possible Flyable cockpit being worked on ?
British
Fighter AI/Flyable Notes
Hawker Typhoon IA Flyable maybe have 12 .303 loadout?:D
Hawker Typhoon IB early Flyable car door style
Hawker Typhoon IB late Flyable bubble canopy?
Hawker Tempest V Flyable
Spitfire early and late several variants
Spitfire mk1A Flyable lost?
Spitfire mk1B Flyable lost? (cannon armed)
Spitfire VIII flyable in PF probably
Spitfire IX flyable bubble canopy and XIV by priller (lost?)
Spitfire XIV flyable work progressing, hopefully
Spitfire XXII flyable progressing
Seafire flyable PF, based on VIII probably
swordfish AI/flyable LOD 0 more or less done
1c "inhouse" Mods to planes already in FB
P51 family British ran higher Boost than american spec p51's, should just be FM change, also used G suit from D day time roughly. recommend the planes be split up seporatly so canbe left out of dogfight/coops etc
P51 B aka Mk II flyable Higher Boost
P51 C aka Mk III flyable Higher Boost
P51 D aka Mk IV flyable Higher Boost and G suit
Gladiator Flyable/AI possible bombs for gladiator and 2x extra .303's on top underwing in same config as lower wing, for navel version (good for med, possible for PF) (3d model mods could/should be done my orig makers)
Spitfire VA Flyable 8x 303, and a little bit faster (less drag)
Spitfire VC Flyable MAYBE done my club med
Spitfire PR Flyable/AI unarmed long range very fast spits
. will list mks later
P400 Flyable P39 but with 20mm hispano (think its in pf )
p39D Flyable A okish plane (think its in pf )
Hurri IID/IV flyable/AI Mods undertaken by 3rd party to make 40mm cannons and radiator and skin changes. possibly lack of FM data
British ordinance
Aircraft Loadout Notes
Hurri IIB/C 500lb bombsDrop tanks Rockets this thread for some details/plans
Spit Vb better wing with more ammo
Bomber AI/Flyable Notes
De Havilland Mosquito Mk IV Flyable
De Havilland Mosquito Mk VI Flyable nifty loadouts like highball and big cannon
Possibles
mossies bomber AI/flyable unarmed bomber/pr spec. bomb aimer position likely not tobe done
Lancaster AI Ed was making it i belive
American
Fighter AI/Flyable Notes
A-36 Flyable external completed mostly
Mustang I , IA Flyable external close to a36, hope these are in PF. Oleg rejected meshsmoothers/harti's model, easy todo from current p51 he says.
P47D 40 Flyable Fillet, and k14 gun site. probably in PF
p47M Flyable 2800hp and a few other mods
150 fuel and G suits again ( label as late 44?) Flyable possible duplication of RAF mustangs
h-75 hawk/p36 Flyable cockpit made/being made?
p40b Flyable probably in PF
p40c Flyable probably in PF
P-40F Flyable probably in PF
P-40L Flyable probably in PF
P-40K Flyable probably in PF
p40n Flyable probably in PF
P-51-H Flyable lightweight/uber p51
p38F Flyable diff air intakes
P-38H Flyable the first ones in the 8th AF. The earlier Lightnings just need changes in air intakes. Probably in PF
P-38K Flyable uber p38? / in PF probably
P-47 B,C, Flyable lower power, lower range p47s. B may not have seen action. possibles for PF
All new fighters in PF most likely
Bomber AI/Flyable Notes
North American B-25C Flyable cockpit being made
North American B-25G Flyable cockpit being made
North American B-25H Flyable cockpit being made
North American B-25J Flyable cockpit being made
A26B Flyable/AI external in progress.. maybe a pf plane, solid nose with guns
Consolidated Catalina PBY Flyable Most likely to be in PF
PBY/PBN Flyable Gib making the wheeled version
B-17E/F flyable/AI probably in PF
American ordinance
Aircraft Loadout Notes
P47 2x 1000lbs on wing racks, and 1x500 on centerline (needs correcting)
P51 HVARs/rockets HVARS may not have been used in ww2, but bazoka tubes where
misc cluster bombs/napalm?
b25 maybe others parafrags bombs with parachutes for low level
P38 missing some bomb loadouts
Russian
Fighter AI/Flyable Notes
i-15 Flyable/AI
i-15bis Flyable/AI I-15 and I-15bis (predecessors of I-153)
Cheranovsky BICh-17 wont be finished 8(
Inhouse
Yak1 Flyable boosher has mentioned a yak1 varient, small window change.
Yak-1-Light Flyable ShVAK only armament but superior turn/climb/speed to standard Yak-1
Yak1M Flyable most produced yak1 type, served till end of war
Yak-3T Flyable/AI Yak-3T version with 57mm cannon, flown one time, by A.B. Yumashyev, Bless his soul. < lexx_luthor . um may have fallen apart after fireing
Yak-7-37 Flyable similar to Yak7/Yak9T but with 2x UBS and 1x MPSh-37 cannon
Yak-9DD Flyable Long range yak9
Yak9L Flyable Yak9 with bombs. (dont know how diff from B)
I16 tip 10 Flyable weaker engine
I16 tip 19 Flyable T19 with Ultra-ShKAS guns
I16 top 28 Flyable the best
I-153-BS 4xUBS and better high alt performance
Mig-1 Flyable/AI existing Mig3 model needs a few inches shaved off the nose and straight wings.
Lagg-3 - Flyable other variants of the earlier series would be good for solving some of the whining complaints. Series 11/32 just needs the same armament as the Lagg3 '43 and some performance de-tuning
La-9 Flyable/AI metal La7, same engine, better armament, similar performance
Pe-2 "improvised nightfighter" with onboard searchlights
LaGG-1 Flyable/AI . There were hundreds of them! It was identical to early LaGG-3, only worse.
Bomber Flyable/AI Notes
Petlyakov Pe-2 series 359 Flyable being made
Pe-2/3 other models Flyable If there is time
MIGHTY u2vs Flyable cockpits progressing well i think
Tu-2T Torpedo Bomber AI it flew around the end of the war
Pe-2R AI Recon?
Tu-2R (Tu-6) AI recon
Tu-2sh AI ground-attack
Tu-2D AI long-range
Tu-2 variants with AM-42's and diesel engines AI Owl_NZ suggested these Tu-2X varients
Possibles
TU 2s Flyable heard some talk of a cockpit for this, but nothing deffinate
IL-10 Flyable hurts to put il10 here
Russian ordinance
Aircraft Loadout Notes
Yak UT 20mm,23mm cannon
LA7 rockets not used often
IL2 more ammo combos more ammo combos
I-16 T18 Rocket loadouts
Yak family missing some bomb/rocket loadouts latewar planes should have loadouts...
Other smaller nations
Nation Fighter AI/Flyable Notes
Finland D.XXI Flyable secrative dev team (also flown by dutch?)
French Hawk 75A-3 Flyable aka p36
French Hawk 75A-4 Flyable aka p36
Czech Avia B534 Flyable/AI hopefully cockpit will be completed (needs cockpit info) if u have ANYTHING, please contact me
Ground/Sea units
Country Unit Notes
Germany Karl mortar gun
600mm :
Germany V2 rocket on launch pad
Germany V2 rocket on wheeled transport ground
Germany V2 air object if codeable
Germany Pzkw 35 t
Germany Pzkw 38 t
Romaina/slovaka? Tatra-OA-30 light armored car complete probably
Russia remmber seeing some tanks
Hungarian PAM Armoured Minelayer Boat done
Hungarian PM Armoured Boat done
Axis field kitchen pick up a snack before u fly planned
All Man in dingy In PF add a secret key combo so guy has a bottle of beer in his hand
Ship suggestions
Italy AQUILA Italien carrier, details here . I suggest having partly constructed carrier as a different model
Germany GRAF ZEPPELIN German carrier, details here . I suggest having partly constructed carrier as a different model Air_hog had a basically completed Graf Zeppelin carrier that was sent to Oleg about November 2003 (missing only the pivot points for the AA guns)
Maps
Map/location Notes
Murmansk Already annouced to some extent
Sicily Pdog has pictures
Online blank desert map Flat map like the flat green and snow ones
Online blank sea map just little islands, and some partly submerged ones, for lotsa spray cool landingness
Online blank sea map 2 Pacific style water, lots of shallow parts
Hoped for
Historical desert/med map miles and miles of sand, with only the odd landmark
mountinous online maps but snow instead of summer exactly the same, but just winter textures instead
Value adding content
These items could be included on a bonus CD/DVD and/or as a limited edition package.
Type Note
Documentation include new objects in object viewer, plus some general history stuff
Usermade missions Good chance of inclusion due to small size
Usermade campaigns Again, reasonably small in size, and many of exellent quality and some are very fun
Usermade skins TONS of great skins, possible size issue may limit this, but a link and a reasonable donation to sharx from UBI would be a good solution.
Usermade High res screens The thread in GD has TONS of stunning screenshots that have been made. Similer size to skins so problems fitting lots on a CD/DVD
Usermade Movies Again many great movies, would be very good promo material
. Large size would push this more towards a DVD bonus disk
Links to fansites etc Links to
www.il2skins.com ,
www.il2flying.com www screenshotart.com , UBI forum, HL website. etc Tiny Size of links, Plus there cost (free, or #### close too) and the relative worth of these, makes them a MUST HAVE item
FMB/QMB
change/addition Notes
Force equipment Force/limit loadouts and fuel options for coops and dogfights
Plane dates month/quarter for planes, rather than just year
PF
a copy paste of list posted on teh ubi boards
Allied
A-20G
B-25J-1NA
DAB Beaufighter Mk21
F4F-3
F4F-4
FM-2
F4U-1A
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
Corsair MK.I
Corsair MK.II
Corsair MK.IV
F6F-3 Late
F6F-5
P-400
P-39D-1
P-39D-2
Hawk 81A-2
P-40B
P-40C
Tomahawk Mk. IIa
Tomahawk Mk. IIb
SBD-3
SBD-5
Seafire L.MK.III
Seafire F.MK.III
Spitfire MK. VIII
Spitfire MK. VIII(CW)
Axis
A6M2-21
A6M2-N
A6M3
A6M5
A6M5a
A6M5b
A6M5c
A6M7-62
A6M7-63
D3A1
Ki-43-Ia
Ki-43-Ib
Ki-43-Ic
Ki-61-Ki
Ki-61-Hei
Ki-61-Otsu
AI:
B-17D
B-17E
B-17F
B-17G
B-24J-100CF
B-25C-25NA
B-25G-1NA
B-25H-1NA
B-29
Blenheim Mk.IV
Hawk 75A-3
Hawk 75A-4
PBN Nomad
TBF-1
TBF-1C
TBM-3
Avenger MK.III
B5N2
Ki-43-II
Ki-43-II Kai
Ki-46-III Kai
Ki-46-III Kai Otsu
Ki-46-III Recce
N1K1-J
N1K1-Ja
H8K1
L2D
Available in new free add-on:
F2A-2
G4M1-11
*Its clear to me athat there is indeed enough material for an AEP2. If an AEP2 would be planned, then u could easily add the following to pad it up and make a extremely worthwhile addon product to ensure a commercial successs.
My list of possible additions is quite lean for allied hardware as my interest & knowledge is quite limited there. I know of several more variants of existing FB/AEP allied aircrafts ie. high blown P-51 & Spits for instance are also easily possible as per informed member feedback on the UBI board. Loadouts also probably easily possible.
AEP2 to be released in early 2005 ?? with 1 or 2 final bug fixes in the following few months to seal the faith of Il-2/FB/AEP/AEP2 code for good in prevision the launch of BoB late 2005 early 2006 ?
Disclaimers
This list comprises aircrafts, ground objects, vehicle & maps which have been submitted or are about to be submitted and that have good chances to make it in an expansion pack/patches provided that Maddox/1C realize that not every one will buy PF and that there is a great possibility to generate additional revenues from the Il2/FB/AEP code. Inhouse aircrafts are aircrafts that could easily be added to the sim using an existing FB/AEP aircrafts with no or minimal external/cockpit model changes.
Just Flight to release an updated patch in March/April 2005 for BoE -BoE 2005 ?? - freeware of payware - either way is acceptable to me) to include all of the new applicable AEP2 aircrafts in BoE campaigns -
Any more educated affirmation/suggestions gents ?
PS I could not longer sit back and watch
Jagd *
*pingu has editted these comments, some where out of date, others not needed, and a few words changed to go with the list.
pingu's comments/ideas
With PF being a addon basicaly for us hardcore fb fliers, I think the next addon should be based on the med.
Using the PF engine for more niceness and carrier ops.
so add in europeon axis aircraft carriers, possibly in partly bulit state (maybe several stages of construction) and complete aswell.
german carrier was to have 109's and stuka's, not sure if there was others planned.
A north africa map map wouldnt take much effort if a sandy area was done, because sand shifts, so massive historical accuracy isnt/cant be achived.
off course, all planes from all thearters are welcome.
The good news about extreme one being in charge of user made content for fb website is really good, thus i guess this content will be linked off cd/maybe a best off sample.
All artwork by SeafireIV, lightly edited by pingu
